Islam — the new caliphate?

| July 13, 2012 | 10 Comments

By Steve Morgan

As Molokai deals with its own issues ranging from windmills, to GMOs, not to mention the dire economy that surrounds us, the outside world is hardly without its share of issues.

One of these issues is the “Arab Spring,” the substance of which is impossible to ignore. Despite its appearance in headlines over the last year, much of what we receive in the news is in short, edited form and often soft-peddled to make it palatable from an American perspective.

Despite our geographic distance, this is an issue that even affects us here on Molokai. The price of energy, the tourist economy, and even our security are issues affected by what goes on in the Middle East.

For those unfamiliar with the word “caliphate,” it refers to a united Islam operating under the constitution of Sharia law.

Rather than give my own opinion, I encourage readers to watch the following short video clip from the recent presidential campaign in Egypt in which the representative for the Muslim Brotherhood “Mohamed Morsi” was elected.

You decide, sword rattling or a new caliphate?

Video — Campaign for the new Egyptian president —

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  1. mkk says:

    While still in my early teens, my (late) older brother returned from 18 months based in Teheran with the Corps of Engineers. With the benefit of training in Farsi at the Army language school, he lived off base, mixing with the locals when not on duty. His comments still ring in my ears: “There is no way for Islam to peacefully coexist with the western world”. I had no idea how prophetic his words would become. I have since known educated Islamic Persians who would dispute that claim based on their interpretation of the Koran but for the masses, it holds true. The Egyptian election shows the after-effects of a long and ugly history with Britain and the West but also the truth of his observation. We can only hope that the Egyptian Islamists continue to support democracy so that more moderate heads may prevail in the future.

  2. kalaniua ritte says:

    i dont think any thing can coexist with the western world.

  3. jo says:

    I, on the otherhand, think fair and reasonable people can and do figure out a way to coexist. It happens everyday, all over the world.

    History and modern times show that an inability to coexist is an indication of failure to evolve.

    An inability to coexist always results in the extinction of the species that can’t adapt or coexist with its surroundings.

    As they say, if you don’t bend, you break.

    • Kimo says:

      jo, respectfully, thats how WE are, but you need to educate yourself to howTHEIR culture funtions, you will find they have no plans to “talk” Only to dominate..are you willing to “adapt” to sharia law? Do you knowwhat it is? Nice thought, but in a real world, impossible. This cultureis one we have fought for over 3000 years, somethings, just are.To prove that point, take a trip over to the middle east, and make peace with them…..the many who have tried, are still missing.

    • Kimo says:

      Sorry jpo, forgot somethin, you have one thing right, the “evolution” on one hand we have, on the other…..sadly, it looks like all will find out, many of you will find out too late.

  4. Kimo says:

    The situation is darker than most know, as said, the media is controlled most anyone here on our island knows this [who has done thier homework] ASK more questions, the more you ask, the more you will understand the situation. No, we cannot put our heads in the sand and make it go away. Its ok to be afraid, its not ok to do nothing or remain silent. islam , sharia law, will not except the ways of the USA, and neither will it acept the Hawaiian way. Sadly, as much as we want theworld to stay out of our paradise, it cannot be stopped, the REAL enemy[the most dangerous] is one that sneaks, creeps into our lives, itis a way of life we cannot live by, make no mistake, we are thier sworn e nemy. So, which one are you, one that will submit?? Or one tha twill say NO. I know the answer to that question already, Hawaiiansare a proud people, a strong people, in this we are all together no western or south pacific culture, will live by or under such oppression of women, or suppression of ones right to speak thier mind.The dumbing down , of our people, began long ago, as one educates themselves, the issue will become obvious.

  5. kalaniua ritte says:

    coexist with us or we will smart bomb the hell out of you…..that aint coexisting.

  6. Steve Morgan says:

    There are two issues at hand; one is in regard to the unique religious nature of Islam and the other a simple issue of the historical battle of two very different empires. In regard to the religious nature of Islam, when comparing the three Abrahamic faiths of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, within the religious texts of Christianity and Judaism, values transcend the literal fundamental interpretations. For example- Neither of these two faiths recognize the literal words of the Hebrew Torah when it speaks of punishment by “stoning” for someone who might either defy the Sabbath or say for a woman caught in adultery. The Christian New Testament comes to terms through the idea of “Dispensationalism” in which the teachings of Jesus transcend and culminate the meaning of these earlier texts and in Judaism, the Mishnah and the dialectic (Talmudic) understanding also negate these literal and punitive definitions. Within Islam however, one is more hard pressed to find such leeway from such fundamental ideas.

    Although there is an element of “Reform Islam”, it remains the minority and is more difficult to defend within its own religious texts. In regard to a tolerant and moderate Islam, historians often refer to the “Golden Age of Spain” in which, although under Islamic rule, did tolerate and allow for the other faiths to coexist. Although probably over idealized, this was a progressive time within the historical setting of Islam and one in which the whole world gained. Philosophy, art and the mathematical sciences flourished during this time. It was short lived however as the Islamic “hard line” caliphate again took power. A true reformation or enlightment of Islam is yet to arrive. Probably the greatest hope lies within the American Muslim community, those who recognize the value of their faith while also recognizing the importance of “Separation of Church and State”.

    In regard to the historical struggle for power, this is the battle of two empires across the Mediterranean Sea. Prior to European colonialism in Arab nations was the pre existence of Islamic colonialism in southern European nations. If my facts are correct, I remember a WW 2 movie in which the Italian army had invaded Algeria. The Arabic leader of Algeria spoke against the Italian general complaining of the abuses that had occurred upon their land by European colonialism, going on to stake the Arabic claim that 12 centuries of Arabic blood lie in the dessert sands of his nation (Algeria). The Italian General then pulled out of his pocket a 2000 year old Roman coin saying “and this also was found in the sands of your nation”.

  7. ReligionIsBananas says:

    When will people begin to understand that Islam is not the problem? Christianity is not the problem. The problem is and always has been religion.

    To believe that the Koran and the Bible are words of god is absolutely absurd. They are words of men who professed to know what would happen to you when you died, so they could get you to start tithing, corral you in to a place where they control all that which you want (money sex power), and basically make you putty in their hands.

    It is ironic, and should not go unnoticed, that the Buddhist leader, the Dalai Lama, is perhaps the most Christlike person in our scary times.

    Read some of these passages in your bible and tell us how they make sense and come from a so called “loving god.”

    Bible: 1 Timothy 2:12, 1 Samuel 15:3, Psalm 137:9, Judges 19:25-28, Judges 11:30-1, 34-5, Ephesians 5:22, 1 Peter 2:18, Mark 11:13-14, Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Jeremiah 19:9

    Koran (since most people do not have a Koran I included some passages below):
    Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

    Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

    Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”

    Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]…and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.” There is a good case to be made that the textual context of this particular passage is defensive war, even if the historical context was not. However, there are also two worrisome pieces to this verse. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of “persecution” (a qualification that is ambiguous at best). The second is that fighting may persist until “religion is for Allah.” The example set by Muhammad is not reassuring.

    Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

    Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse.

    Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

    Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast TERROR into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).

    Quran (25:52) – “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…” “Strive against” is Jihad – obviously not in the personal context. It’s also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.


    Both of these books are absurd violent, hateful and have created far more suffering than they have cured.

    If religion had had its way, science, and modern medicine would not exist. The answers of science scare the hell out of all the churches.

    Faith in a greater power is something magical and beautiful, and no one should let something as evil as a religion and their church to get in the way between a person and their higher power.

  8. S Morgan says:

    The Bible is absolutely remarkable and unique. Unlike other religious books, it does not create a utopian vision, other than that which possibly culminates in the end. Even the idea of a messianic age or after life is quite vague. Rather it deals with humanity in the most real sense- through tragedy, infidelity, war and every other pitiful human condition. But most importantly it offers hope and redemption. Despite the crimes in history in the name of religion, of which there is probably no greater blasphemy, nothing has come close to the numbers of lives lost on behalf of “post enlightment secularism”, most notably Nazisim and Marxism of which the latter outweighs any other cruelty of man. The numbers of deaths are staggering and incomparable against every other crime of humanity. Religion of the Bible, if practiced in a meaningful way, transforms narcissism into gratitude. I have never seen a perfect human but I have seen many lives and families dramatically altered in wonderfully positive ways by maintaining religious observance in their homes.

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